he had to control the environment and the situation. and that, again is -- >> as john said the sports filled with cheating and everybody knows it. there is an aspect of the story with oprah hassling armstrong about he does seem to be different. in order to cover up what he was doing he ruined the lives of a lot of people to cover up including this woman emma o'riley armstrong's former masseuse and she says armstrong tried to, quote, make her life a living hell after she went public with some of the details of his doping operation. >> what do you want to say about emma o'riley? >> hey, she -- she's one of these people that i have to apologize to. she is one of these people that got run over, got bullied. >> yeah. isn't she -- you sued her. >> ah, to be honest, oprah, we sued so many people i don't even -- i'm sure we did. >> you're suing people and you know that they're telling the truth. what is that? >> it's a major flaw and it's a guy who expected to get whatever he wanted and to control every outcome. and it's inexcusable and that's